Welcome to Think Biblically. Conversations on Faith and Culture, a podcast from Talbot School of Theology at viola University.

I'm your host Scott Ray, Dean of Faculty and Professor of Christian Ethics.

And I'm your co-host, Sean McDow, Professor of Apologetics at Biola University.

Today we have a guest with us, Katie Faust, who's written a fascinating book called Them Before Us.

Katie, I have read a ton of books and I've written in the area of sexuality and family

and there were a number of a hahah moments so to speak when I was reading this thinking oh my goodness

Why didn't I think of this it is a fantastic book again called them before us so let's just jump right in at the beginning.

Katie, tell us kind of the motivation for writing this book.

Well, the motivation is to try to get this information into as many minds as possible.

And this information is simply thinking about all marriage and family issues from the perspective

of the child.

I think that we've had our hands busy.

We've been trying to spin a bazillion different plates

when it comes to all the different issues

affecting marriage and family today

that we've dealt with as conservatives as Christians.

Just the hits keep coming whether you're talking about the battle over the definition of

marriage, the rapid expansion of reproductive technologies, the normalization of same-sex parenting,

the push to legalize polygamy, the massive campaign to promote surrogacy.

I mean, every issue around marriage and family

is something that really are not disconnected issues.

All of them really come down to,

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