Welcome to Think Biblically, Conversations on Faith and Culture, a podcast from Talbot School of Theology at

Biola University.

I'm your host Scott Ray, Dean of Faculty and Professor of Christian Ethics.

And I'm your co-host Sean McDowell Professor of Apologetics.

We're here with one of our faculty colleagues today, Dr. Kyle Strobel, who is co-authored

with his colleague, Dr. John Coe from Talbot's Institute for Spiritual

Formation, a super enlightening new book on prayer.

And you know, you might be thinking as our listeners, what else can be said about prayer

that hasn't already been said? Well, I assure you, Kyle and John have said some new things

that I've never thought about related to prayer and at least

particularly the first half of the book was in my view it was a rock your world type of

reading about prayer and it's super helpful stuff Kyle welcome of our listeners get access to this conversation and then hopefully they'll pick up the

book and delve much more deeply into it.

Thanks Scott and Sean.

It's good to be here with you guys.

So tell us, first of all, I guess maybe the first question I want to get at is why is prayer such a hard topic for most believers to deal with?

It's sort of like the elephant in the living room

that we wish would go away.

But we just have a hard time facing up to that.

Yeah, I mean, I think there's a lot of reasons for it, but one clear one. to that

I think there's a lot of reasons for it, but one clear one I think is that I think most people kind of presuppose prayer should be easy.

And maybe we've met people who prayer just seems to come easy for them, right? These people who just they just seem to pray and you know for John and I we are very clear in the book that you know that that's not us.

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