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Modern Wisdom

The Wild Psychology of Elon Musk - Eric Jorgenson - #1082

Modern Wisdom

Chris Williamson

Health & Fitness, Society & Culture

4.65.9K Ratings

🗓️ 9 April 2026

⏱️ 97 minutes

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Eric Jorgenson is an investor, entrepreneur, and author. How does Elon Musk actually think? You can analyse him from first principles, but the closest thing to a blueprint is Eric Jorgenson’s The Book of Elon. So what’s really going on in his mind, and what makes him so extraordinary? Expect to learn what the most misleading narrative about Elon’s success is, why Elon decides to move so fast and his obsession with speed, why Eric decided to document the mind behind Elon Musk, what he decided to leave out of the book, what Eric learned about Elon that other biographies missed, what the 69 core Musk methods are, if Elon’s worldview is closer to philosophy than business and much more… Sponsors: See discounts for all the products I use and recommend: ⁠⁠⁠https://chriswillx.com/deals⁠⁠⁠ Get up to $350 off the Eight Sleep Pod 5 at ⁠https://eightsleep.com/modernwisdom⁠ Get 10% discount on all Gymshark products at ⁠https://gym.sh/modernwisdom⁠ (use code MODERNWISDOM10) Get 160+ biomarkers tested for just $1/day and save an extra $25 at ⁠https://functionhealth.com/modernwisdom⁠ Get a Free Sample Pack of LMNT’s most popular flavours with your first purchase at ⁠https://drinklmnt.com/modernwisdom Timestamps: (0:00) What Can We Learn From Elon Musk?(3:32) What Makes Elon So Unique?(6:28) Is This Elon’s Formula For Success?(10:23) Why Creating Things Is the Key to Wealth(12:19) Is Urgency the Key to Success?(17:43) Does Elon Have Time for Self-Care?(20:03) Does Elon Create His Own Pressure?(25:12) Does Elon Actually Sleep?(28:39) Why You Should Feel the Cost of Your Decisions(30:25) How to Compress Your Time Like Elon Musk(32:00) Why Taking Risks Is Non-Negotiable(33:11) The Biggest Myth About Elon Musk(34:56) The Strategy Behind Elon’s Media Dominance(37:55) What People Still Don’t Understand About SpaceX(43:20) How Big Could SpaceX Actually Become?(44:58) What’s Tesla’s Next Move?(46:43) Are Humanoid Robots Actually the Future?(53:05) Are Meta Glasses Always Watching?(55:13) Elon’s Most Underrated Skill Explained(57:40) How Elon Built an Machine-Like Memory(01:01:04) What Biographies Miss About Elon Musk(01:05:05) The “Idiot Index” That Slashes Costs(01:06:58) Elon’s Biggest Cost-Saving Breakthroughs(01:09:08) How Elon Crafted a World-Class Workforce(01:11:49) Not Everything Needs to Be Optimised(01:13:18) Great Leaders Always Lead From the Front(01:16:26) Inside the Chaos of Elon’s Mind(01:18:34) Why Humanity is at the Core of Elon’s Mission(01:25:20) Has Eric Created a New Genre?(01:27:03) How the Internet Supercharges Influence(01:30:18) Using Elon's Playbook in Real Life(01:34:48) What’s Next For Eric? Extra Stuff: Get my free reading list of 100 books to read before you die: ⁠⁠https://chriswillx.com/books⁠⁠ Try my productivity energy drink Neutonic: ⁠⁠https://neutonic.com/modernwisdom⁠⁠ Episodes You Might Enjoy: #577 - David Goggins - This Is How To Master Your Life: ⁠⁠lnkfi.re/SN-Goggins⁠⁠ #712 - Dr Jordan Peterson - How To Destroy Your Negative Beliefs: ⁠⁠lnkfi.re/SN-Peterson⁠⁠ #700 - Dr Andrew Huberman - The Secret Tools To Hack Your Brain: ⁠⁠lnkfi.re/SN-Huberman⁠⁠ - Get In Touch: Instagram: ⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx⁠⁠ Twitter: ⁠⁠https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx⁠⁠ YouTube: ⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/modernwisdompodcast⁠⁠ Email: ⁠⁠https://chriswillx.com/contact⁠⁠ - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

How many copies of the Navalmanac have you sold now?

0:02.6

It's tough to know, but I think we're coming up on 2 million. How's that feel? I'm still, the word I like to use is gobsmacked. Like, I really thought I was doing fan service for a few thousand Naval nerds. And the fact that it's like 40 languages and millions of people. And we've given away a few million more, right? Like, I don't even really know. Oh, so that's how many were sold because it was available for free through the website.

0:24.8

Yeah. and millions of people. And we've given away a few million more, right? Like, I don't even really know. Oh, so that's how many were sold? Because it was available for free through the website. Yeah, which is another like 5 million plus, really hard to track. I think it's my most suggested book when people say, where should I start with personal development? Essentialism by Greg McEwen or the Navalmanac. That's incredible. And that's, I mean, I had no idea how many people were going to resonate with it and recommend it. And, you know, I think the highest compliment a gift, the highest compliment a book can receive is to be gifted. And so much of what we read comes from what's recommended. Like often you see an ad for a book and buy it?

1:00.5

Almost never. Yeah. The bars are too high. Yeah. And the subtitle of this new one is a guide to purpose and success about Elon. Why pick that? Why purpose specifically? It's emergent. I mean,

1:07.8

when I write these books, I start with millions and millions of words of source material, everything they've ever shared publicly. And I try to figure out, like, what is the essence of the person? What is the thing that is most special about them that anybody can learn from? And we all know that Elon is like massively productive. I feel like the question everybody's asking is kind of like, how the hell did this happen? Like, how does he get so much done? But what I didn't realize until way into the process is that

1:34.4

purpose was the other pillar. So I knew I wanted to know like how does he win, but I didn't know to the

1:40.0

extent that purpose was a big part of why he wins and that is actually he has some really

1:44.5

incredible answers for what do I do what's important how do I choose what's important yeah I think

1:51.9

everyone looks and just assumes tactics raw tactics yeah but if there's something bigger driving

1:56.7

that teal says about Elon he seems to know something something about risk that the rest of us do not.

2:04.5

What do you think that thing is? Yeah. I mean, I think Elon is risk on. Like, he takes risks that he

2:10.4

shouldn't take. He's inherently biased towards risk. But the number of times that that pays off,

2:15.9

I think, reveals and puts in Teal's context.

2:18.4

Like, Teal is a risk manager and Elon is a risk taker.

2:21.9

And when you combine that with purpose, the fact that Elon is on these missions, he's trying to accomplish something.

2:26.2

And he almost doesn't care how much risk it takes.

2:30.1

He'll just keep taking chances and keep taking chances until he breaks through. And he's got this

2:36.4

amazing quote, failure is irrelevant unless it's catastrophic. And I think that's a really good way to

2:42.9

sort of explain that attitude towards the risk of like, I just don't care how low my chances are.

2:48.9

I don't care how long the odds are. I'm just going

2:51.5

until I die because this is important enough to keep working on. And that explains why the purpose piece

2:56.5

is crucial because that's what would keep you pushing through. Yes. There's so many times that he has

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