I have a hard time celebrating my achievements because in my mind it was my obligation to achieve it.

Oh, the dilemma of the high achiever.

I know you don't struggle with this at all, right? I know this truly.

Game recognizes game, as they say.

Yes, yes, all from a place of deep wounds and the desire to be adequate and enough.

Yeah, I have a hard time celebrating my achievements and wins because it was in my mind. in my mind, it was my obligation to achieve them. And not only that, I think the group of people we hang out with, you hang out with, I hang out with, makes the exceptional seem extremely normal. I was having a conversation the other day with a friend who both of us had long runs. And I was running 16, he was running 20. And there was a time a couple of years ago where you couldn't have paid me thousands of dollars to do anything but drive 16 miles. And the fact of the matter is, the average person thinks that's crazy. And there was a time where I was extremely proud of that. I remember running my first 10 miles. I remember where I was. I remember what I was doing. It was sunny.

We were in Atlanta on the belt line and I remember when it hit 10 and I hit stop on the Apple Watch and I

went, holy shit. I just ran 10 miles. And then now it's just a normal and the carrot keeps moving

for the high achievers. So I think the battle has now become learning to be content in

the things that we achieve. You know, this was a goal of mine, sitting down with you and being

on this podcast. I've listened to it for years. And it's incredible to be in it with you right now.

It's truly an honor because you can interview anybody in the world and yet here I sit.

And so what is the line between sitting in the pride and the humility and yet here I sit. And so what, what is the, what is the line between sitting in the

pride and the humility and the graciousness and gratitude of the achievement and then moving the

needle? I think you alluded to this in an episode you did a while ago talking about how you forgot

to celebrate the wins along the way, which led to an inevitable case of burnout. And when we were here at the podcast, at the four-way podcast the other day,

with Sean and George, we talked about the importance of romanticizing every single thing in your life.

So that way, when the big achievement comes, it doesn't feel like an obligation, it feels like a victory,

and you can truly sit in it before you move on to the next thing. It's strange, yeah, I think people that have high standards assume that they should always win.

They should always succeed. And that turns success from a cause for celebration into the minimum level of acceptable performance. Success simply becomes

what's expected of you and anything less than success would be a failure. And yeah, it's the

habituation that we see hedonic adaptation. People talk about it for, you buy a new car and it's all

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