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There are definitely still weak spots in your case that you want more cooperation on.

And those weak spots are the direct involvement of the president.

The questions that come up are how much do the president know about it,

how much was it the president directing it,

and what was the president's motivation.

And those are key questions when it comes to an impeachment offense.

How you get that, I don't know.

It's a really difficult question.

The best they can so far, given the administration's refusal to allow a number of witnesses,

refusal to provide an array of documents.

They had Gordon Saundlen testify for whatever reasons he may have had,

and they were able to pin him down fairly effectively.

But, you know, in a perfect world, you would get something like you saw eventually come out in the Watergate context.

You would get tapes. You would get something directly incriminating that's objective.

I'm Benjamin Wittis, and this is the LawFair podcast,

November 23rd, 2019.

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