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Hello creatives. I'm Joanna Penn. And this is episode number 648 of the podcast, and it is Saturday, the 8th of October

2022 as I record this.

In today's show, I'm talking to Beth Kempton about writing fearlessly, tapping into flow

and keeping a part of your writing practice sacred, as well as how the concept of Wabi-Subbi can help writers with

an acceptance and appreciation of impermanence, imperfection and the incomplete nature of everything.

We also talk about seasonality in our work, saying no, which I struggle with, and I know many of you do,

and balancing time between creativity and the job of being a writer.

So that's coming up in the interview section.

So not too much in publishing, but combining publishing with the futurist stuff

which has kind of merged into the

current things, thanks to Steph Projonas, who let me know that Cobo Writing Life actually

allow direct upload of AI narrated audiobooks, which I then verified with Tara over at

Kobo Writing Life. So yes, you can now upload AI-narrated audio books direct to Cobo.

And what's interesting is I did some AI-nourated audiobooks with DeepZen before Google put out

their auto-nuration. And those audiobooks I did with DeepZ Zen, they're everywhere except audible.

But they're on Apple, they're on Spotify, they're on Google Play, they're on Kobo,

as well as Next Story, Bookbeat and some other smaller vendors.

I think they might be in the library stores if you have a look.

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