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The Experiment

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The Experiment

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🗓️ 18 March 2021

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

Was anybody willing to be a spiritual adviser to Orlando Hall, a Muslim man on death row with a fast-approaching execution date? That’s the question that went out by email to a local group of interfaith leaders in Indiana. Nobody answered.

After a week without responses, the management professor Yusuf Ahmed Nur stepped forward. A Somali immigrant who volunteered at his local mosque, Nur would counsel Hall in the weeks leading up to his execution. But Nur never expected to stand beside Hall in the execution chamber as he was put to death.

“That’s when it hit me,” Nur says. “You feel like you’re complicit, that you are cooperating with the system. They assign you a role to play in this execution.”

This week on The Experiment: One man finds himself at the center of our legal system, and witnesses what gets sacrificed in the pursuit of justice.

Further reading: “Trump Is Putting the Machinery of Death Into Overdrive”

Be part of The Experiment. Use the hashtag #TheExperimentPodcast, or write to us at [email protected].

This episode was produced by Alvin Melathe, Gabrielle Berbey, and Julia Longoria, with editing by Matt Collette and Katherine Wells. Fact-check by William Brennan. Sound design by David Herman. Special thanks to Katie Bishop and Najib Aminy.

Music by water feature (“double blessing ii”), Keyboard (“Being There,” “More Shingles,” “My Atelier,” “Small Island”), and Parish Council (“Heatherside Stores”) provided by Tasty Morsels.

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0:00.0

I don't think I've ever said your last name out loud.

0:15.6

How do I say it?

0:16.6

It's mellif.

0:17.6

Mellif?

0:18.6

Mellif.

0:19.6

Am I doing that right?

0:20.6

Mm-hmm.

0:21.6

So, Alvin Mellif.

0:22.6

Why are we here today?

0:23.6

Why?

0:24.6

Why are you using my government name like that?

0:29.5

Alvin Mellif is the producer at the experiment.

0:32.8

We started talking about something he's been thinking about for a while now.

0:37.1

So this summer in July, I saw that the federal government had executed someone.

0:43.5

And I remember reading about it in the news at the time and being a little surprised by

0:47.4

it, because, you know, there are states that do executions regularly, but the federal

0:52.7

government hasn't actually executed someone in 17 years.

0:55.9

Like the last time was 2003, there were none in the 70s and the 80s and the 90s.

1:01.6

Like, it's just not a thing that we do very often.

1:04.8

Huh.

1:05.8

I didn't fully realize it had been that long.

1:08.3

Yeah, I hadn't either.

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