This is the BBC.

Hey, Joe, here we go.

And maybe one sugar.

Thank you for giving it.

Thank you for making it.

Thanks very much.

Yeah, and I need one of them as well.

So where am I sitting?

Well, that's where he is.

That is stuff.

You're not, oh my god, really?

You're in a good mood, you know.

You can sit on the green microphone.

Welcome to the Political Thinking Podcast Christmas edition

with a difference because this week, the interview is someone

of rare distinction, a man of rare judgment, a man of

supreme standing.

It is me. The interviewer in contrast is a journalist

barely off-training wheels, a man who has only just arrived in my

great profession, though he has already reached the

insulted status of editor of the London

Evening Standard. It is no lesser figure than the former

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