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The Untold Story Of 'Civil Rights Queen' Constance Baker Motley

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🗓️ 16 February 2022

⏱️ 44 minutes

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Summary

Though she litigated Brown v. The Board of Education, was the first Black woman to argue before the Supreme Court, and represented MLK, few people know her name: Constance Baker Motley. Guest interviewer Tonya Mosley speaks with her biographer, Tomika Brown-Nagin, author of Civil Rights Queen.

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0:00.0

This is Fresh Air. I'm Terry Gross. Today we're going to hear about a woman whose

0:04.7

biographer says belongs in the pantheon of great American leaders, and the lack of attention she's

0:10.4

received is a form of historical malpractice. That woman is civil rights lawyer Constance Baker

0:16.6

Motley. Her biographer, Tamiko Brown-Nagan, spoke with our guest interviewer, Tanya Mosley.

0:22.8

Tanya is a special contributor to NPR's here and now, and host of the podcast Truth Be Told.

0:28.6

Tamiko Brown-Nagan is a professor of constitutional law at Harvard Law School, and Dean of the Radcliffe

0:35.6

Institute for Advanced Study at Harvard. Her new book is called Civil Rights Queen, Constance Baker

0:41.9

Motley, and the struggle for equality. Here's Tanya. Tamiko, welcome to Fresh Air.

0:47.8

I'm delighted to be with you. Thanks for having me. There is a vivid recounting in the book that

0:54.1

sets the grounding for Motley's reputation as the Civil Rights Queen, and that's her first experience

1:00.2

as a courtroom lawyer in Mississippi, which was the South's most repressive state back in 1949.

1:07.2

What was she there litigating, and what reception did she receive?

1:11.7

Motley was in Jackson, Mississippi litigating a case on behalf of African-American school teachers

1:18.9

who were subjected to a paid disparity. As she walked the streets of Jackson and entered

1:27.6

the courtroom there, she caused a sensation. Few people had seen a woman lawyer or a black lawyer,

1:35.9

and here was this incredible combination of a black woman lawyer, and people were just

1:42.7

somewhere excited, somewhere just didn't know what to make of her. And that is the story that I tell

1:49.2

in my book about her impact, both as a symbol, but also her substantive impact on the law.

1:58.4

Motley saw, while she was there, the vestiges of slavery and the ills of segregation. That's how

2:04.0

you put it in the book. She couldn't find lodging. She had to sleep in a rooming house for black people.

2:09.2

White grocery stores refused to sell food to her, as she was litigating that case.

2:14.5

How did that experience shape Motley's view of her role in this fight for civil rights?

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