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Fresh Air

An Underground Journey With Afghan Refugees

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🗓️ 15 February 2022

⏱️ 46 minutes

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Summary

Journalist Matthieu Aikins accompanied his Afghan interpreter when he decided to flee Afghanistan in 2016, using smugglers' routes to make his way to Europe and start a new life. For Aikins, it meant shedding his own identity and passport and taking risks refugees take — heading into the Mediterranean sea at midnight in a flimsy, overcrowded rubber craft, where Coast Guard patrols would ram the vessel to turn refugees away from their destination. Aikins' new book is The Naked Don't Fear the Water.
Also, podcast critic Nick Quah reviews Serial's new show, The Trojan Horse Affair.

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This is Fresh Air. I'm Dave Davies and today for Terry Gross. Our guest, Matthew Aikens,

0:05.8

is a Canadian-born journalist who is reported on Afghanistan and the Middle East since 2008.

0:11.7

He was in Afghanistan from June through November last year, covering the chaotic withdrawal

0:16.9

of American forces and its aftermath. He had the lead byline for the New York Times story,

0:22.2

reporting that the drone strike in Kabul, which US military officials claimed had taken out a

0:27.1

car bomb threatening American troops, was in fact mistakenly targeted at an aid worker,

0:32.5

killing him and nine others, including seven children. For his first book, Aikens tells the story

0:38.7

of joining his longtime Afghan interpreter and driver in his 2016 journey to flee the country

0:45.1

along smuggler's routes and reach Europe. To accompany his friend, Aikens had to ditch his own

0:51.1

identity and passport and assume the role of an Afghan refugee. Aikens says his ethnic background

0:57.4

makes him look uncannily Afghan. The experience gave Aikens an intimate look at some of the Afghans,

1:03.6

Syrians, and others risking everything to start new lives through this massive movement of humanity.

1:09.6

The book is a story of tough choices and at times harrowing experiences,

1:13.5

trekking over land and sea. Matthew Aikens is a contributing writer for the New York Times and a

1:19.0

contributing editor at Rolling Stone. His reporting has won numerous honors, including the George

1:24.4

Pope and Livingstone Awards. His new book is The Naked Don't Fear the Water, an underground

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journey with Afghan refugees. Matthew Aikens, welcome back to Fresh Air. Let's start with the reading

1:36.8

from the book. This is a moment that I've asked you to share with us. It'll give us a sense of

1:42.6

the writing and one of the more troubling moments that you encountered in this long journey. You want to

1:48.9

just set up what's happening here? Yeah, sure, my pleasure. I mean, this is a moment in the narrative

1:55.2

where my friend Omar and I have finally made it to Turkey after various trials and tribulations,

2:01.6

crossing borders, and Omar is found a smuggler who's going to send us to the Greek islands on one

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