This is the Jaco Unraveling Podcast Episode 12 with Darrell Cooper and me, Jaco Willink.

All kinds of things going on in the world right now and you and I were talking about what was

happening in the Middle East and started talking about doing more of a strategic kind of long-term

overview of the Middle East instead of diving right into the tactics, which is what I definitely

tend to do. You know, taking a little bit of a broader look at it from a policy perspective and

also from the perspective of heading into this election. Right now it's August, late August of 2020,

we're getting election coming up. There certainly is some pretty, pretty big differences between,

let's say, the Obama doctrine and the Trump doctrine and thought it'd be interesting to talk

about how those doctrines and policies impact and play out in the Middle East and kind of what

direction you're heading in. So we're living in the Trump doctrine right now. Let's go back a few

years first and talk about, let's call it the Obama and what would become, we assume, the Biden

policies. Yeah, I think in a way what we call the Obama Biden set of policies is really a

reflection of the establishment kind of Washington consensus or interagency consensus they like to

call it, right? Which when you think about how foreign policy is formulated in the United States,

you know, there's a Trump doctrine, sure, maybe there's an Obama or a Biden or Clinton or Bush

doctrine, but this is a law, this involves a lot of people, right? And not just within the government,

there are think tanks, there are lobbyists, there's a, you know, people who are sort of hostile to

this system call it the blob, right? Maybe Tulsi has a little bit dirtier word for it, I don't know,

but like, you know, and it leads to one of the complaints that many people have, although again,

when we try to deal with other countries in certain ways, this is a strength, is that, regardless

of who gets elected, things never seem to change that much. Now, if you're one of our allies or

somebody out there with some kind of, that's a good thing, we need to be able to tell people there's

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