All right, guys, welcome back to the What Is Money Show.

I am here today, very excited to dive into what I think is going to be perhaps one of the most important series we've ever done on this show.

I'm sitting down today with Mike Hill, and we're going to be recording long form,

diving deep into a really important book.

First, let's give you a little bit of background on Mike.

Mike is a design consultant and philosopher in the film and game industry. He's worked on a number of big projects with major clients like Netflix, Warner Brothers, Sony, NASA, JPL, HBO, Activision, Microsoft. David Fincher. I worked with Tim Miller on Deadpool, love, death, and robots, Game of Thrones, Call of Duty, Halo, and Horizon Zero Dawn.

And also worked on the film Blade Runner 2049 and Dune.

So, Mike's a brilliant guy.

And he is the one who introduced me to this book, Lila, some time ago. And I have referred people to this book as part of a trilogy for breaking down your materialist worldview and

opening your eyes to the non-materialist side of reality. And the three books I've recommended together were Lila,

Human Action by Mises, and Maps of Meaning by Jordan Peterson.

I think these three books jive really well together.

So this book, Lila, subtitle is An Inquiry Into Morals, was written in 1991.

And it's exploring this complex topic called The Metaphysics of Quality.

And this book basically draws connections between evolution, culture, morality, and theology

in a very deep way.

And it's written by Robert Persig, who's best known for his original book, Zen and

the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, which is written in 1974, which is one of the best-selling philosophy

books of all time. But interestingly enough, so few people have heard about Lila, which was

written a couple of decades later. And in my opinion, and I think you'll see, in Mike's

opinion, and for reasons we're going to lay out

thoroughly here, I think Lila is actually the more important work. And it does this,

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