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Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

The United States of Socialism?

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

New York Times Opinion

New York Times, Journalism, News, Society & Culture, Ross Douthat

4.07.2K Ratings

🗓️ 30 May 2019

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

Why is socialism so popular in the United States right now? Michelle Goldberg talks with Bhaskar Sunkara, the editor of Jacobin magazine, to discuss democratic socialists vs. liberals, the failures of past socialist movements and Bernie Sanders vs. Elizabeth Warren. Then, Ross Douthat and David Leonhardt join Michelle to debate socialism’s role in the future of the political left. For background reading on this episode, visit nytimes.com/theargument.

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0:00.0

I'm Michelle Goldberg.

0:01.2

I'm Ross Dalford.

0:02.4

I'm David Lee Unhart.

0:03.7

And this is the argument.

0:05.4

This week, Michelle has a conversation with someone

0:08.2

to her left about the future of the Democratic Party.

0:11.6

There's a division between those with a class struggle

0:14.0

vision of change and those who want some progressive outcomes

0:17.2

for our willing to compromise.

0:18.6

Then, Ross, Michelle and I debate the role of socialism

0:22.5

in the new Democratic Party.

0:24.1

This new, new laugh is much more politically sensible

0:27.9

and realistic than certain versions that

0:30.9

flowered in the late 60s and early 70s.

0:33.2

And finally, a recommendation.

0:35.6

Michelle, are you sure this show is good for you?

0:51.0

Baskar Sonkara is the founding editor of Jackamon,

0:54.1

and the author of a new book, The Socialist Manifesto.

0:58.4

He's been a vocal advocate for socialism

1:00.7

here in the United States for years.

1:03.0

Michelle sat down with him to talk about where

1:04.6

their views align, where they don't,

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