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Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

Are Democrats Too Scared to Impeach? (LIVE from Boston)

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

New York Times Opinion

New York Times, Journalism, News, Society & Culture, Ross Douthat

4.07.2K Ratings

🗓️ 6 June 2019

⏱️ 40 minutes

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Summary

Why aren't the Democrats ready to impeach President Trump? The columnists ask Massachusetts Senator Ed Markey in this live episode recorded at WBUR CitySpace in Boston on May 29. They also talk about Robert Mueller’s first public remarks and the Democrats’ evolving approach to climate politics. Then, as right-wing populists and nationalist parties gain ground in countries around the world, is global liberalism on the decline? For background reading on this episode, visit nytimes.com/theargument.

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0:00.0

This week we're bringing you our live show from Boston, which we taped at WBUR's City Space.

0:05.6

We had a great time meeting so many of you and now we're excited to let everyone else hear this

0:09.6

conversation. I'm Michelle Goldberg. I'm Ross Douthit. I'm David Leonhart. And this is the argument.

0:17.8

This week we're talking climate change with a special surprise guest, your senator Ed Markey.

0:23.3

He helped write the two highest profile climate proposals of the last decade.

0:28.2

Then, do election results from around the world mean that liberalism is dying?

0:33.6

And finally, a recommendation.

0:42.0

For our first segment, and we have a special guest, Ed Markey. He has been in Congress since the

0:46.9

bicentennial in 1976, which means he's been serving in Congress for this nation's entire third

0:53.5

century so far. And he has been a senator since 2013. We have a lot to ask him about President

1:00.2

Trump, impeachment, climate change, as I mentioned, and the upcoming 2020 campaign. Please welcome

1:06.7

Senator Markey. Thank you for joining us, senator. Thank you. Thanks for having me.

1:16.4

Obviously, one thing that's on many people's minds is President Trump and the question of what

1:20.7

Congress is going to do about it. And so we want to start there with Michelle.

1:24.2

So far, if I'm not mistaken, you've kind of taken the Nancy Pelosi line. And I guess the one I want

1:30.5

to ask is how Democrats can justify at this point. Now that Mueller has stood up and basically

1:36.5

implored Congress to do its job and kind of made clear that this wasn't an exculpatory report,

1:42.4

that there was evidence of obstruction of justice, that he couldn't indict, but that there is a

1:47.6

process in the Constitution to hold a president to account. How do Democrats justify not beginning

1:53.8

an impeachment inquiry? So Mueller said if we had confidence that the president clearly did not

2:01.7

commit a crime, we would have said so. What he's saying is that after compiling that 400 page report

2:11.3

in eye-watering detail, that they were unable to say that the president did not commit a crime.

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