I'm not, I'm not downplaying any trauma or things that have happened to people,

but at the same time understanding, these are things that you don't have control of and they're

not what define you. You're defined by your actions and responses to those things. And even if it's

been significantly horrible, there's no reason why let it be that, why let that be the defining thing

and that you can still use and leverage what you can from that to, to become more resilient,

to withstand the things that you don't anticipate that are coming next.

Okay, welcome back or welcome to the Finding Mastery podcast.

My name is Dr. Michael Jervé and by trade and training, I'm a sport and performance psychologist.

Now the whole idea behind these conversations behind this podcast is to learn from people,

to learn from the extraordinary, to better understand how they organize their internal life,

to be able to challenge the edges and the reaches of the human experience. And that comes in the

forms of business and sport and science and life in general. And what we're doing is working to pull

back the curtain to explore how they have committed to mastering both their craft and their minds

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