If it's not obvious, I mean one is just stay open-minded and stay curious.

Like one of my personal mantras now is radical curiosity and anytime I find myself

sticking to something or like I did with you say I believe I tried to remember no, no, no, no.

So stay radically curious. Like let's just keep learning.

Okay, welcome back or welcome to The Finding Mastery Podcast. My name is Dr. Michael Jervet

and by trade and training, I'm a sport and performance psychologist.

Now, the whole idea behind this podcast, behind these conversations, is to learn from people

who are challenging the edges and the reaches of the human experience in business and sport and

science and in life. And we pull back the curtain to explore how they have committed to mastering

both their craft and their minds in an effort to pursue their potential. Finding Mastery is

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