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I am here with one of my teachers and mentors and friends and Dr. Curtis Roundsen, who is a psychologist, who is a senior trainer.

Trainer in EMDR, a specific psychological treatment for not only trauma,

but for anxiety, for depression, for optimization.

And we're going to talk today about EMDR

and a professional training course.

If you are a medical or mental health professional,

you want to pay particular attention.

And if you're in therapy, tell your therapist about the conversation

that we're going to have. And also, tell us where you're from. I always love to know where people

are from. So Dr. Roundsen, welcome. Thank you.

So how did you learn about EMDR?

Now, you and I've been doing this for a long time.

We've been helping people for a long time.

But how did EMDR come into your life?

Well, it came into my life 31 years ago.

Francine Shapiro, the psychologist that developed it, was developing trainings at that time.

And frankly, I was at a place in my psychological practice where I was getting bored and frustrated because I had been training many therapeutic interventions through my doctoral program.

And I was good at most of them, you know.

I felt good at most of them.

But I found myself being frustrated because so many of the people I saw would come in,

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