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🗓️ 4 November 2025
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What if the very place you went for safety, love, and divine wisdom turned out to be the scene of the crime? Today we’re diving headfirst into the world of spiritual abuse.Â
This week, I’m joined by Katherine Spearing, founder of Tears of Eden, trauma recovery practitioner, and author of a new book, A Thousand Tiny Paper Cuts.Â
If you’ve ever been told that “God doesn’t want your happiness, He wants your holiness” while you were slowly disintegrating inside, well, friend, you’re in for a ride. Buckle up, because we’re talking:
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Katherine Spearing MA, CTRC is the founder of Tears of Eden, a nonprofit supporting survivors of spiritual abuse, and the former executive producer and host of the groundbreaking podcast Uncertain, a podcast that pioneered pivotal conversations around spiritual abuse. She also is a Certified Trauma Recovery Practitioner working primarily with clients who have survived cults, high-control environments, spiritual abuse, and sexual abuse. Katherine is a huge advocate for the power of art to help us on our healing journey. She participates in improv theater both as a performer and coach and is the author of one novel. A Thousand Tiny Paper Cuts, her new book on spiritual abuse, addresses the survivor’s recovery journey. She has been a guest on a number of podcasts, including IndoctriNation and A Little Bit Culty, is the author of several nonfiction articles, and writes regularly at katherinespearing.com and tearsofeden.org.
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| 0:00.0 | Hi, this is Natalie Hoffman of Flying FreeNow.com, and you're listening to the Flying Free |
| 0:07.8 | podcast, a support resource for women of faith looking for hope and healing from hidden |
| 0:14.2 | emotional and spiritual abuse. Welcome to episode 352 of the Flying Free Podcast. |
| 0:21.8 | Today we have with us, Catherine Spearing. |
| 0:24.4 | She is the founder of Tears of Eden, which is a nonprofit that supports survivors of spiritual abuse. |
| 0:32.2 | She's also the former executive producer and host of The Uncertain Podcast that pioneered pivotal conversations around |
| 0:40.7 | spiritual abuse. She's a certified trauma recovery practitioner who works with clients who have survived |
| 0:46.5 | cults, high control environments, spiritual abuse, and sexual abuse. And she has a brand new bookout |
| 0:53.6 | called A Thousand Tiny Paper Cuts, |
| 0:56.6 | The Subtle, Insidious Nature of Spiritual Abuse and Life on the Other Side. So today, guess what we're |
| 1:03.5 | going to be talking about? Spiritual abuse. Spiritual abuse. Exactly. Religious trauma and also |
| 1:10.5 | how the patriarchy has been a powerful weapon all throughout history that has propagated both. |
| 1:17.1 | So welcome, Catherine. |
| 1:19.0 | I am so excited to be hanging out with you again, Natalie. |
| 1:22.5 | Awesome. Okay. So let's just dive in for anyone who is not sure what a spirit. I mean, there was a time when I didn't know what spiritual abuse was. |
| 1:30.8 | And so why don't we talk about spiritual abuse and maybe a little bit about how it's different from other forms of abuse that people might be more familiar with like physical abuse or emotional or psychological abuse. |
| 1:44.0 | Yeah. Yeah so um one thing |
| 1:47.7 | similar to other forms of abuse is it it can be an umbrella term that under other forms of abuse |
| 1:54.4 | fall underneath or it can be its own form of abuse that is very direct and overt. I define it in my book as when someone is |
| 2:05.8 | deliberately using God, deliberately using God or the Bible to coerce, manipulate, control, |
| 2:11.8 | shame, exploits all of those things. And it gets a little complicated within a high control religious |
| 2:20.7 | environment because you'll have people in that setting really intentionally wielding the |
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