Every week, Hillsdale College President Larry Arne joins Hugh Hewitt to discuss great books,

great men, and great ideas. This is Hillsdale Dialogues, part of the Hillsdale College

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Morning, glory and eating grace, America.

And some of you are saying, wait, it's not Friday.

It's Wednesday, December 10.

Why am I hearing that music?

It's because it's a special edition of the Hillsdale dialogue with our friend Matt Spalding.

Dean Spalding, I want to get his title down correctly.

The Kirby Professor in Constitutional Government and the Dean of the Van Andale Graduate School of Government at Hillsdale College,

who oversees the Allen Kirby Center for Constitutional Studies and Citizenship at Hillsdale's

Washington, D.C. campus, is now best-selling author, Matt Spalding, because I hold in my hand a

brilliant book, The Making of the American Mind, the story of our Declaration of Independence.

And I'm doing this hour with

Dean Spalding on Wednesday so that you all run out to Amazon and get your gift receiving friends

who love American history, this book, The Making of the American Mind. Dean Spalding, welcome.

Have I ever told you that Frank Luntz Law? Do you know

the Frank Lutz law on selling books? But what is that? You have to say the title of the book,

The Making of the American Mind, at least seven times in every segment or people won't remember

the making American mind when they get home to their computers to go to Amazon to order

the making of the American mind to send the making American mind to their friends. I've got six of them down. Now you're going

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