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Morning, glory and evening, Grace, America.

I'm Hugh.

You at that music means it's the last radio hour of the week. Dr. Larry Arne is my guest as we continue our deep dive into Winston Churchill's memoirs of World War II. We are in volume one, the gathering storm. And when we last talked with Dr. Arne, Hitler had just invaded Austria.

Let me go now to the day after Hitler has invaded Austria over the objection of his

generals and his diplomats.

And he makes a little speech about the little entente, which is Czechoslovakia, Romania, and Yugoslavia. And you said earlier in this

discussion that these people are a mix of both east and west. And we could throw in Islam as well,

if one looks deep into Kosovo, for example, it's primarily a Muslim country. So the

Balkans are a mess, and Churchill knows all about the Balkans, and he knows about the Turks,

and he knows about the Russians, he knows about this, and he says, this is a nightmare. Russia had

proposed a conference about it, and that Chamberlain brushed it aside. What's that

tell you about Chamberlain? Churchill describes Chamberlain and it's very different the way

he describes the two of them to Chamberlain and Baldwin. He thought that Baldwin, I, Churchill

is disinclined to speak harshly about people, but I think he

thought that Baldwin was a coward.

Baldwin wasn't up to the job that he had.

Chamberlain was made of much sterner stuff, and therefore more attractive to Churchill. And that meant Chamberlain,

he got in his mind finally. I'm going to have to focus on this stuff. This stuff's getting

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