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Previously on White Lies.

I did look around in time to see one man swing this fight for a club, violently eat, act, and breathe.

I do not have the people that saw it that I can put on the stand.

That's the thing is it passes all the road and big benefits for God about it and I've had it.

I don't think he got killed there on Washington Street or hit enough to get killed.

I think they killed a man on the way to Birmingham. I just saw us all always will believe it.

Whether they did or not, I don't know.

Of course I was scared, Chip, because I didn't know what they'd gonna get off of me.

But I was glad when they did. So even though they were guilty and I knew they were guilty and they knew they were guilty.

From the beginning we've had one mission with this story.

To set the record straight about what happened to Jim Reeb and Selma.

To tell the definitive account of the attack on the three ministers outside the silver moon that night and to finally solve this murder.

In this episode we're going to tell you about the biggest break in this case.

How to search for documents and evidence and photographs and tapes related to the investigation in the trial.

Finally landed us in the smoke-filled office of a witness who saw everything.

A witness who has kept what she saw a secret until now.

But first the story of how we landed in that smoke-filled office.

Because for a long time we didn't think we'd ever be able to tell you about this witness.

About what she saw. About who killed Jim Reeb.

And that's because it took us almost three years from the first time we met her until she finally agreed to go on the record.

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