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White Lies

The Counternarrative

White Lies

NPR

True Crime

4.712.2K Ratings

🗓️ 28 May 2019

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

In Episode 3, we break down the conspiracy theory that emerged after the Rev. James Reeb's murder: that he was allowed to die or was killed because the civil rights movement needed a white martyr.

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0:00.0

Previously on White Lives.

0:06.3

And then a car full of white men pulled up and stopped right behind the ambulance.

0:11.9

And I remember a rush of feeling, Clark, you just have to get out of here, just run.

0:18.1

I understand you wanted to talk to me about whatever it is,

0:22.0

take me out of it.

0:24.0

I didn't take care of the man on the way to Birmingham.

0:26.8

I just always will believe it.

0:30.4

But you notice every layer of the onion, there's something a little whacker than the first layer underneath.

0:35.8

And you ain't got halfway through the onion yet.

0:46.9

Toward the end of the trial for the murder of Jim Reeve,

0:49.4

the defense attorney Joe Pilcher spoke to reporters on the steps of the Dallas County Courthouse.

0:54.2

And Reverend Reeve did not receive proper medical attention.

0:57.8

And that he was negligently and you might almost say,

1:00.8

want them, leave them be to die.

1:02.8

Pilcher's defense strategy was to argue that the civil rights movement was a need of a white martyr.

1:08.6

And that the attack on Jim Reeve, the Unitarian Minister from Boston,

1:12.2

had provided the perfect opportunity for the movement to get one.

1:16.0

That somehow, some way, the movement had conspired to kill Reeve.

1:20.9

You said this morning in court that they willfully let him die.

1:24.3

That was my statement, yes.

1:25.4

Do you mean that, sir?

1:26.5

I mean that the evidence indicates that, yes, sir.

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