The So welcome to mysterious circumstances.

And for the listeners, this man right here, dude, I just telling him, I said, once I got the email for this interview, I had to take it.

He's the author of more than two books, but the two I'm going to mention right now is the simulation hypothesis and the simulated multiverse.

Your background is incredibly interesting.

I mean, MIT, Stanford, I know you're on a couple

boards as well with each of those universities. If not, I know Harvard too. But you're also

incorporate like UFOs and I don't even know what they call them now, UAPs, I think. So

they keep changing the name and it's like, yeah, it's the same thing.

We all know what it is, but maybe.

It's the same thing.

In fact, the term UFO was adopted by the government because the old term,

flying saucer had, you know, too much science fiction baggage associated with it.

It looks like they did the same thing again with UFO where they named it to UAP.

I love it so much, man.

So tell us a little bit about your background and how you got into these topics and how it,

how it interested you.

Sure.

So, you know, my background is as a computer scientist. And, you know, I studied computer

science back at MIT. I was a programmer, you know, writing code. And then I became an entrepreneur

in the video game industry in Silicon Valley, where I ended up going to business school.

And it was really from my work in the video game industry that I started to think more

about virtual reality and where it might take us.

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