The So welcome to mysterious circumstances.

And for the listeners, this man right here, dude, I just telling him, I said, once I got the email for this interview, I had to take it.

He's the author of more than two books, but the two I'm going to mention right now is the simulation hypothesis and the simulated multiverse.

Your background is incredibly interesting.

I mean, MIT, Stanford, I know you're on a couple boards

as well with each of those universities. If not, I know Harvard too. But you're also incorporate

like UFOs and I don't even know what they call them now, UAPs, I think. So they keep the name, and it's like, yeah, it's the same thing.

We all know what it is, but maybe.

It's the same thing.

In fact, the term UFO was adopted by the government because the old term,

flying saucer had, you know, too much science fiction baggage associated with it.

It looks like they did the same thing again with UFO where they named it to UAP.

I love it so much, man. So tell us a little bit about your background and how you got into these

topics and how it, how it interested you. Sure. So, you know, my background is as a computer

scientist and, you know, I studied computer science back in MIT. I was a programmer, you know,

writing code. And then I became an entrepreneur in the video game industry in Silicon Valley,

where I ended up going to business school. And it was really from my work in the video game industry that I started to think more

about virtual reality and where it might take us.

And one day, I had actually sold my last video game company and I had become an investor

as an venture capitalist at that point.

And I was visiting a startup in Marin County, which,

if you know, is just north of San Francisco and looks out over the bay. And they had made a

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