Welcome to the Jill on Money Show.

It is Thursday, January 1st, 2026.

Happy New Year.

All right.

Here we go, turning the page.

Hey, for the first two days of the new year, we are re-airing an interview that we

conducted with Daniel Pink.

Dan is a good friend of the show.

We conducted this interview back in 2019.

He had just written a book called When the Scientific Secrets of Perfect Timing.

And I love this interview.

It's a great way to start the new year.

So today will air part one.

Tomorrow will be part two. And I know you're going to really

enjoy this. So here is the first part of our interview with Dan Pink. Let's start by explaining sort of the

natural cycle of how we as human beings are programmed. So talk about that and how this might

have encouraged you to dive

deeper into the topic. Yeah. Well, I mean, I mean, the reason I dove deeper into it was in

part for that reason. I was frustrated because I was making all these decisions in my own life

and making them in a haphazard way. And while I'm a little bit messy, I'm pretty anal retentive

about decision making. And so I like to make decisions based on evidence. It didn't exist. I looked around and realized there's an incredible body of science out there that gives us clues about how to make these decisions. And so one of the cornerstones of all of this is exactly, as you say, there is this pattern of the day that happens inevitably and to simplify it,

each day we move through a peak, a trough, and a recovery.

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