Hey everyone and welcome to our throwback episode. In our throwback episodes, we are reintroducing you to some of our most popular episodes.

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Daniel, thanks for joining us today.

Kwame, thanks for having me. I'm excited.

You're just fun to talk to, honestly. That's the real truth of it.

Well, I appreciate it. See, now this is my opportunity to put you in the hot seat because I was on

your great show. And yeah, so let's take this opportunity to introduce the listeners to who you are and what you do.

Yeah, well, I like to say I design conversations for a living and I generally insist that that's what everyone else does also.

I mean, the types of conversations I enjoy designing.

I coach leaders one-on-one, so I like designing those conversations

for depth and effectiveness. And I also design workshops so that teams can learn new skills

and apply them. And I also like to design like bigger organizational conversations so that

the new skills that a team learns actually get used

and deliver results. So like those are like the small, medium and large conversations I

particularly like to design. Well, yeah. Well, again, you're being modest. You have to tell

them about the book too and the podcast

yeah i know okay so maybe i need to hit my marks um i so yeah so i started a come a podcast about

designing conversations i guess like almost three years ago i did my first interviews for it in

2016 i was working with the group in 2015 in Australia. This goes way back, but they

called their facilitative practice conversation design. And I was very confronted by that.

So I have a background in industrial design. I got a master's of industrial design at Pratt in New York. And

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