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Anyway, I love you guys and I appreciate you listening so much.

I think you'll find this conversation really interesting.

So I'll get out of the way and we'll jump right in.

When I saw the title, The Soul of Desire, Discovering the Neuroscience of the Longing,

Beauty and Community, I was super intrigued by the title.

I wanted to learn more and at the same time super intimidated because I'm like,

I want to have a conversation with Kurt, but I don't even know if I can keep up.

I mean, even just your title alone intimidates me a little bit.

But hopefully, I can at least ask somewhat interesting enough questions to have you share

some of your wisdom with us. But you know what?

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