The Sacred Ache and Beauty of Becoming with Heath Hardesty

Typology

Ian Morgan Cron

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🗓️ 20 November 2025

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Summary

What happens when an Enneagram Two (or…maybe a Four?) takes a deep dive into the ache beneath our desire to be good, loved, and whole?

This week, I sit down with Heath Hardesty, pastor and author of All Things Together: How Apprenticeship to Jesus Is the Way of Flourishing in a Fragmented World. What begins as a conversation about the Enneagram Two's longing to help soon unfurls into an exploration of the soul — the ache for beauty, the mystery of shame, and what it means to live authentically before God.

Together we explore:

The difference between helping and hiding
Why our "ache" might actually be a form of divine homesickness
How beauty, poetry, and the transcendent lead us toward wholeness
What dies — and what's reborn — as we grow older and surrender our false selves
The sacred invitation to move from doing ministry to stewarding mystery

It's equal parts theology, therapy, and literary love letter. Whether you're a Two, a Four, or simply a human being trying to make sense of your inner world, this episode will remind you that becoming whole is less about striving and more about awakening.

🎙️ Listen now and discover the sacred ache that pulls us home.

ABOUT HEATH HARDESTY

Heath Hardesty is the author of All Things Together: How Apprenticeship to Jesus is the Way of Flourishing in a Fragmented World (Multnomah; 10/14/25). He serves as the lead pastor of Valley Community Church and is the founder of Inklings Coffee & Tea in the heart of downtown Pleasanton, California.

Heath grew up in a blue-collar home and was a plumber's apprentice in Colorado before becoming a pastor on the edge of Silicon Valley where he, his wife, and four kids now reside.

He holds degrees in literature, leadership, biblical studies, and theology from the University of Colorado Boulder and Western Seminary in Portland. Visit him on IG@heathhardesty.

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0:00.0	Hey folks and welcome to Typology, the show on which we explore the mystery of the human personality and the great adventure all through the lens of the Enneagram.
0:13.0	My name is Anthony Skinner, your producer and co-hosts. So happy to have you here today, folks. We've got a great guest for you.
0:27.0	Our guest today comes in identifying as a two, but we take a little journey and he may not be two.
0:29.5	He might be type two, but he might be another type.
0:31.5	We explore that today.
0:38.7	You get to experience that in real time with us talking about Heath Hardesty author of All Things Together,
0:43.6	how apprenticeship to Jesus is the way of flourishing in a fragmented world.
0:48.4	Heath is lead pastor of Valley Community Church and the founder of Inkling's Coffee and Tea, a welcoming gathering place in the heart of downtown Pleasanton, California.
0:52.7	He holds degrees in literature, leadership, and theology from the heart of downtown Pleasanton, California. He holds degrees in literature,
0:54.8	leadership, and theology from the University of Colorado, Boulder, and Western Seminary in Portland.
1:01.7	In this conversation, we dive into his new book, his life of spiritual apprenticeship, and the
1:07.2	unfolding journey with the Enneagram. So as I said at the top, we continue to unpack how he might be a different type than he thought he was coming in.
1:16.5	So you get to explore that with us. It's really fun.
1:19.0	Anyway, it's a rich conversation about calling, identity, and what it looks like to live from wholeness in a fragmented world.
1:26.9	You're going to love Heath, folks. We really
1:29.1	enjoyed this conversation. I'm so glad you're here. That's it for me, Anthony Skinner. And now,
1:33.7	without any further ado, here is the man of the hour, Ian Grum.
1:47.4	Hey, everybody, you asked, and we listened.
1:51.6	We don't often get Enneagram 2s on the show.
1:54.0	And today we have one.
1:58.3	We are delighted to have Enneagram 2, author of the new book,
2:02.4	All Things Together, Heath Hardesty, welcome to typology.
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