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Unholy: Two Jews on the News

The Room Where It Happens - with Zohar Palti

Unholy: Two Jews on the News

Unholy Media

News, Yonit Levi, Israel, Israel Podcast, Jonathan Freedland, Middle East, Jewish, Religion & Spirituality, Jews, Society & Culture

4.7680 Ratings

🗓️ 2 February 2024

⏱️ 67 minutes

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Summary

As hopes rise and fall of a breakthrough that would bring the release of Israeli hostages held by Hamas and a pause in fighting in Gaza, Yonit and Jonathan speak to Zohar Palti, former head of the Mossad intelligence directorate about how the key decisions are being made - and whether those in charge are getting it right. Plus: UNRWA, the meaning of the ICJ’s decision and is the Israeli far right serious about resettling Gaza? To record a question for our next episode go to:  www.speakpipe.com/unholy  *Zohar Palti is an Andrew Viterbi fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy -- Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/unholypodcast/and X: https://x.com/2jewsonthenewsJoin our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1150578065793142See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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0:00.0

Expectations of some kind of breakthrough in the war between Israel and Hamas,

0:05.5

the release of hostages, a pause in fighting.

0:08.1

Those expectations waxed and waned up and down through the week.

0:13.0

We'll be talking to someone who has been in the room where it happens,

0:17.0

a key Israeli decision maker going back several decades.

0:21.6

It's unholy.

0:22.6

I'm Jonathan Friedland of The Guardian in London.

0:24.6

And I'm Unique Levy of Channel 12 in Tel Aviv.

0:27.6

Unholy to Jews on the news.

0:41.2

You know, this is the moment of truth for Benjamin Netanyahu.

0:44.5

I think the stakes are as high as can be.

0:47.6

Hamas is as we sit here and talk on Wednesday,

0:49.9

supposed to reply to the deal, the hostage deal proposed by Qatar and Egypt with the American

0:56.2

involvement. We will go into politics in a minute, but maybe we should just set the stage on

1:01.0

what has been discussed and what this deal actually is. It is the release of 35 to 40 hostages.

1:09.3

We will remind our listeners, there are 136 hostages held by

1:13.3

Hamas. Israel assesses that 29 possibly more are not alive, but the rest are. So that is still

1:21.2

a large number. And 35 to 40 are supposed to be released in this deal. Women, all women, including female soldiers, anyone injured, and men over 60.

1:34.3

Israel will agree to the cessation of the military operation for 45 days.

1:39.0

Now, there are a few things, and there are very important things, crucial actually, that aren't yet agreed upon.

1:44.2

One question, how many Hamas terrorists will be released from Israeli prisons, and what exactly

1:51.9

will be the wording about the war itself?

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