Hi and welcome to the Working Songwriter. The show where today's best songwriters come

to talk shop. I'm your host, Joe Pug. Each episode here we host a distinguished guest

and we ask them to go deep on their inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and

downs of making a life in music. So, whether you're a grizzled veteran who just lost your

entire publishing catalog in an ill-advised game of Blackjack or else a scrappy upstart,

signing away your publishing in perpetuity for a record label to get you exposure. This

is your show because ultimately it is what every writer seeks most and ironclad excuse

to put off, actually writing.

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