Hi and welcome to the Working Songwriter. The show where today's best songwriters come

to talk shop, I'm your host Joe Pug. Each episode here we host a distinguished guest

and we ask them to go deep on their inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and

downs of making a life in music. So, whether you're a grizzled veteran using just for men to

darken your beard before a co-write with a pop star or else a scrappy upstart, wearing personality

glasses to your co-write with your new publisher, this is your show because ultimately it is what

every writer seeks most and iron-clad excuse to put off actually writing.

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