Hi and welcome to the Working Songwriter. The show where today's best songwriters come

to talk shop. I'm your host, Joe Pug. Each episode here we host a distinguished guest

and we ask them to go deep on their inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and downs

of making a life in music. So, whether you're a grizzled veteran, still soldering your own

pedals to save money, or else a scrappy upstart, just using stolen software plugins to save

money. This is your show because ultimately it is what every writer seeks most, an iron

clad excuse to put off, actually writing.

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