Hi, welcome to the Eater Uppsel, part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

On the Eater Uppsel, every single week I, Helen Rosner, and my co-host, Greg Moravito, talk to some of the world's coolest, smartest, most creative people

about food.

And on today's podcast we are talking with Brian Coppelman, who you may know as a screenwriter,

you may know as a podcast host he hosts the moment with

Brian Coppelman or you probably know him right now as one of the producers of

and the showrunner for billions a totally addictive show on Showtime that I'm completely obsessed with, and not just because I binge watched it in order to prep for this interview.

On billions, among other things, there are billionaires fighting with the U.S. attorney, there are lots of

rich people doing rich people things, but they do a lot of them in restaurants, and particularly

they do a lot of them in real actual New York City restaurants.

And that's not an accident. It's because

Brian Coppelman is obsessed with food. In fact, David Chang, a previous

eater upsell guest, has called him one of the patron saints of New York

dining. You're going to love this conversation. I love this

conversation. Greg loved this conversation. We also have a very special guest

question-asker for our lightning round. Another Vox Media podcast network

host Peter Kafka of RICO Media, who is a big Brian

Koppelman fan. But first, before we get to that, Greg, I understand you want to

ask me something about this

you had a really great Twitter thread this week that was based off of

a piece that our colleague Bill Addison wrote and I haven't talked with you about

this so I kind of wanted to... No but I'm so glad you brought it up because I I was I have I yes let's okay so the crux of it is that our

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