Hey, welcome to the Eater Upsell, part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

I am one of your two co-host, Helen Rosner, and my other co-host, Greg Moribito, is here, as always.

The two of us, every Monday morning, show up in your podcast listening device in conversation with one of the smartest

coolest most interesting people in the world who is usually a food person and we

usually talk to them about food and this week in keeping with that expectation,

Greg and I are talking with Aaron Franklin,

who you may know as the name over the door

of Franklin Barbecue in Austin, Texas,

roundly considered to be the best barbecue restaurant in the entire world.

Aaron Franklin is a profit of meat and he's with us to talk about the secrets of

smoking cows over wood and why there will never be another Franklin

barbecue and basically what it's like to be a guy at the top of his game.

It's a pretty great conversation.

Stick with us.

And yeah, so actually before we get to Aaron Franklin Helen,

there's something I wanted to chat with you about.

Oh man, I love chatting. Hit hit me up. Okay so I was thinking

about this category of restaurants so I think this will be familiar to you is it's like a neighborhood kind of place. It's like a neighborhood pub that has like

kale salad, burgers, you know, something with Saracha on it. maybe there's like some oysters and

cocktails and yeah like a sufficiently trend-aware neighborhood dinner spot.

Yes exactly maybe there's a roast chicken maybe there's an Edison bowl, that kind of thing. I was thinking that these restaurants are always like, okay, they're not, I can't think of anyone that I've been to that has like a point of view and is exciting you know they're just kind of whatever and they're kind of everywhere I've traveled a little bit in the last year and I feel like there's one of these in every city or in every kind of trendy neighborhood of every city, but they're all kind of boring same and they're all kind of boring.

And I was just thinking like what we need is like a term

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