The mastery, managing that fear and the stress, you know, to do something consistently that other people don't want to do consistently because it's scary not because they technically can't do it. Like of course I can't take a 40 year old and build the surfing technique to be able to do it but it's not it's average level

surfing with high-level mastery of fear and anxiety that's the way I kind of look at what I do. All right, welcome back or welcome to the Finding Mastery Podcast. I'm Michael Jervay and by Trade and Training,

a sport and performance psychologist as well as the co-founder of

compete to create. And the whole idea behind these conversations behind this

podcast is to learn from people who are just switched on.

They're flat out on it.

They've dedicated their life efforts

to unlocking, to understanding, to living in alignment,

to really going into the nuances of their craft and understanding at the deepest level

both mastery of self and mastery of craft. And what does that mean? That means we

want to dig to understand how do they organize their inner life and what are the

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