The REAL Story of Why Trump Changed Course on Minnesota, and How Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Took Over After Limbaugh

Next Up with Mark Halperin

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News, Daily News, Politics

4.6 • 1.2K Ratings

🗓️ 27 January 2026

⏱️ 67 minutes

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Summary

On today’s episode of Next Up, Mark Halperin uses his reported monologue to go inside what really drove Donald Trump to change course on Minnesota. He lays out the specific voices that matter when Trump rethinks a decision and explains why media optics, internal pressure, and shifting political narratives pushed a rapid reversal — all informed by Trump insiders who really understand how he made the choice to head in a different direction. Later, Buck Sexton and Clay Travis join Mark for a wide-ranging conversation that moves from politics to culture to media. What starts as a playful debate over iconic duos quickly exposes a serious generational divide, before turning to how Clay and Buck managed to succeed in a time slot long defined by Rush Limbaugh. The episode wraps with a look inside Trump’s cabinet, as Buck and Clay explain why Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent has quietly emerged as one of the administration’s most impressive figures and closes with a candid debate over who would actually make the stronger presidential candidate: Clay or Buck. Bank On Yourself: Discover the retirement plan banks Don't want you to know about—get your free report at https://BankOnYourself.com/Mark Cardiff: Get fast business funding without bank delays—apply in minutes with Cardiff and access up to $500,000 in same‑day funding at https://Cardiff.co/MARK Masa Chips: Ready to give MASA or Vandy a try? Get 25% off your first order by going to http://masachips.com/MARK and using code MARK.

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0:00.0	Greetings, everybody. Welcome to next up. I'm Mark Kalprin, editor-in-chief of Live Interactive Video Platform 2Way,
0:08.2	the host here of our little program that we love to share with you. Thanks for tuning in.
0:13.9	You can settle in because you're about to get a lot smarter. We're going to talk about Minnesota and Donald Trump.
0:20.4	And I'm going to try to explain to you what I've learned over the years in my reporting over the last day about Donald Trump and when he changes his mind.
0:29.1	What are the conditions under which this famously somewhat stubborn man decides to reverse course?
0:35.0	I think I've got the goods on that.
0:36.3	And I'm ready to share it with you.
0:37.7	And then we'll spend the rest of the episode with two smarty pants, two great thinkers,
0:41.5	funny guys, smart guys, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. They, of course, host the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show.
0:47.6	An extraordinary success story. They did nearly the impossible. They replaced a legend. Rush Limbaugh passed away.
0:54.0	That slot, that famous 12 to
0:56.0	three Eastern Time slot was available. And those two guys who didn't really know each other,
1:01.2	match made in heaven. Radio executive put them together and we're going to talk to them about what
1:05.8	works about the show and then run through everything in the news with the two of them.
1:09.7	I'm excited to get a chance to talk to them about everything.
1:13.6	But before they join us in just a moment,
1:15.5	my reported monologue on when and how Donald Trump changes his mind.
1:20.1	That's next up.
1:23.4	Are you being lied to?
1:24.8	They tell you to max out your 401k and your IRA,
1:27.4	and then they make you beg for permission to use your own money.
1:31.9	It's time to get the truth and discover a better way to grow and protect your money.
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