How Minnesota Sparked a National Immigration Debate, and Intra-GOP "War" Fight, with Rep. Dingell and Rich Lowry

Next Up with Mark Halperin

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🗓️ 29 January 2026

⏱️ 68 minutes

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Summary

Mark Halperin opens with his reported monologue arguing that America is losing sight of what matters by obsessing over elites, gossip, and political theater instead of grappling with the serious policy questions that matter. He makes the case that the media and political class are crowding out first-principles debates at a moment when the stakes could not be higher. Mark then turns to foreign policy and constitutional power, breaking down a revealing Senate exchange between Rand Paul and Marco Rubio that forces a hard rethink of what actually constitutes an act of war. The debate goes beyond partisanship and raises uncomfortable questions about American power, moral consistency, and the limits of executive authority. The episode closes with two deep dives on immigration. Congresswoman Debbie Dingell joins Mark to discuss why the scenes in Minneapolis have unsettled the country and to wrestle with the most difficult deportation cases, the millions who fall between clear extremes. Then, National Review editor Rich Lowry offers the conservative perspective, laying out how the right is divided over deterrence, practicality, and whether there is any workable middle ground at all Cardiff: Get fast business funding without bank delays—apply in minutes with Cardiff and access up to $500,000 in same‑day funding at https://Cardiff.co/MARK Bank On Yourself: Discover the retirement plan banks Don't want you to know about—get your free report at https://BankOnYourself.com/Mark Masa Chips: Ready to give MASA or Vandy a try? Get 25% off your first order by going to http://masachips.com/MARK and using code MARK.

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0:00.0	Hello and welcome, everybody. This program, it's called Next Up. Some people call it Next Up with Mark Kalprin. I feel that's excess overkill beyond what's needed to be said. Call it Next Up. But I am Mark Kalprin, editor-in-chief of the live interactive video platform two-way. And I'm your guide to everything next up in whatever interest us as a collective group.
0:22.7	Glad to have you here. You click through to the right place, or maybe you downloaded whatever you did,
0:27.3	maybe even served up by the algorithm. That's fine with me, too. As long as you're watching or listening,
0:32.2	now this program available on YouTube and as a podcast, however you got here on whatever platform you're on, you're in the right place.
0:39.3	Let me tell you what we're doing today.
0:41.3	First, my reported monologue.
0:44.3	I've been doing a ton of reporting on lots of different stories and consuming a lot of media, as you do.
0:50.3	And this is not a new problem, but it's a problem right now.
0:55.2	It's a worst problem in the digital age.
0:57.3	We've got to talk about serious stuff.
0:58.9	There's some extraordinarily big policy issues facing the United States today.
1:03.4	They're fascinating, but they're super important.
1:06.2	And what I'm finding is too much of the conversation, including too much the reporting that comes
1:11.2	my way and sometimes guilty is charged I pursue, is a little bit more frivolous. So we're going to
1:16.6	try to talk about some of the serious stuff today and explain why it's important. After that,
1:22.4	Congressman Debbie Dingell will be here. She's a Democrat from Michigan, very long time public servant, been involved in
1:29.7	national politics, politics in her home state of Michigan for a long time. She's a very thoughtful
1:34.0	person. She's of the left, but she talks to Republicans as much or more than any Democrat,
1:39.4	I know. She always has and is concerned about the country. We're going to talk about the issues
1:44.0	facing Minnesota and the country related We're going to talk about the issues facing Minnesota
1:45.1	and the country related to these questions of immigration. And I'm going to put her on the spot
1:49.9	and ask her some of the harder questions that I think her party. And a lot of people on the left
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