Jay, thanks for joining us today. Thanks for having me. Yeah, it's our pleasure. So how

would you get it started by telling us a little bit about yourself and what you do? Great. I am a

coach and an educator and I work with individuals and organizations. I help people to leverage their

body and their nervous system and their brain to show up as their best selves in the situations that

matter to them most. I often say that I help people to be themselves in other people's

force fields. Oh, I like that. Okay, dig deeper into that last line because that's fascinating.

Well, I guess I've heard you say that you're a

people pleaser as well. We're covering people pleaser here. And I know for me that my experience

growing up and in my 20s and even my early 30s, my sense was if there was another person in front of

me, it was all about what do they need for me. Who do I need to be? How do I need to

show up? You know, and I would, it was, it was as if it was like my soul gets sucked out of me.

And I have no sense of myself, my opinions, my feelings, you know. So what I mean by that,

not losing yourself in other people's force fields is that

i still get to have a sense of solidness of being here in a body of being impacted by what you say

of having needs of having preferences and being actually capable of tracking them and then communicating them or acting upon them.

Oh, that's fantastic.

And I think that's a great segue into what we are here to talk about today.

So Jay, I'll give you the floor to set the stage.

Right.

Well, so we've we've established that we're both psychology geeks and we're going to nerd out a little bit on what is going on internally when we're in difficult conversations or this, the psychology of our own presence in life.

Did I get that and how we discussed about that yeah yeah absolutely yeah

this would be fun this will be fun now when it comes down to understanding your own psychology especially

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