The Psychology of JonBenet Ramsey - (Chap 2 - Child Pageants)
Psychology In Seattle Podcast
Kirk Honda
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🗓️ 8 October 2025
⏱️ 37 minutes
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00:00 Pageant interview
06:36 Ramsey family history
24:18 Check in with yourself
27:35 The Ramsey's maintain their innocence
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October 8, 2025
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| 0:00.0 | Hey, deservant listeners, this is Chapter 2 in our deep dive on the Jean-Beney. |
| 0:04.8 | John-Beney or John-Bene? |
| 0:06.0 | John-Beney-Ramsey case, which is at its core a very tragic case, regardless of who done it, so to speak. |
| 0:16.4 | Who or why done it? It's tragic. |
| 0:18.0 | Yeah. So there's that. But in Chapter 1, Berto laid out some of the initial data, and I'm all over the place. Yeah. I got hot under the collar during the patron zone last time. I'm already angry at the police. So continue, Berto. There was hotness. This is the psychology in Seattle podcast. I'm your host, Dr. Kerkonda. I'm a |
| 0:39.2 | therapist and a professor, and I'll just read your shirt. My name is Umberto Castaneda and |
| 0:45.7 | mother. Mother! So a fan made this shirt for Berto and it has a bunch of quotes from him from |
| 0:51.8 | before you. So introduce yourself, Berth. My name is Umto Castaneda, and I manufacture clown's noses, but green. |
| 0:59.7 | All right. |
| 1:00.6 | So, um, last time we went over the events of the day, December 26th of 1996, I wanted to now |
| 1:08.5 | take a little step back and talk about who are these folks, who are the family, |
| 1:13.4 | and also address the, sort of the elephant in the room, but it's not really, but it is, is that |
| 1:21.3 | John Bonae Ramsey was a page, a beauty pageant participant. That was one of the main activities she she was |
| 1:29.8 | involved in and if uh folks don't know much about beauty pageants for kids i don't either so |
| 1:36.1 | we're in good company um and then i'll have a lot of questions for you about that uh that topic |
| 1:42.0 | um so i wanted to start with a video this This is an interview, Jean-Beney Ramsey, |
| 1:48.8 | it's during one of those pageants. And it's just kind of like to show, if you haven't seen |
| 1:53.6 | what these things look like or whatever, this is just like her made up with really fancy dresses |
| 1:59.5 | and then the interviewer is asking our questions. |
| 2:02.2 | Okay. So this is presumably just an interest piece about child beauty pageants. |
| 2:08.6 | Yeah. And this is likely that same year, I believe. |
| 2:11.6 | Okay. |
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