I just worry that Bishop Barron, all respect to Bishop Barron, love him.

I think he's doing some of the best work in the whole church.

So this is all out of a place of charity and trust in what Word on Fire is doing.

But he's got the, it's like you send, you're sending the valedictorian to go sit with the jocks.

Sure.

You don't think Father Mike is the jock in this analogy? No. No, Father Mike is the theater kid, unfortunately. Ah, that's true. He's just ripped. He's just a ripped theater kid. He's excellent. He's the star of the show. He's the star of the musical. So he is, everyone respects him. Same with the valedictorian.

But it's just we're sending, we're sending the wrong people into the wrong arenas.

Welcome to The Crunch.

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It's your boy, Ethan.

And I'm Patrick.

And I was saying before the show, the, I've been listening to James McCann.

James McCann, fabulous guest, was also on Kill Tony the same week as our podcast,

which is just a dumb career move for him.

The best media rollout that you can do. The best media rollout possible. And so I was listening to all of his, uh, his, is Kiltony appearances. And it, it was hard for me to listen to you. I've never listened to Kill Tony before this. I think the times that I've tried has been too difficult because I used to do open mics and they were all an exercise in in humiliate.

It's an exercise in secondhand embarrassment is what it is.

It's very tough.

It's a tough watch, especially if you don't get good guests.

Like even the one, the episode that James was on recently, they had to go.

They had the most bucket pulls that they've ever had because it was so,

people were so bad.

Like it went and they just went turbo mode and they just kept drawing people and people just

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