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The Political Economy of Immigration Detention / Nancy Hiemstra and Deirdre Conlon

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🗓️ 4 September 2025

⏱️ 113 minutes

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Nancy Hiemstra and Deirdre Conlon join us to discuss their new book, "Immigration Detention, Inc.: The Big Business of Locking up Migrants" from Pluto Press. "The Moment of Truth" with Jeff Dorchen follows the interview. Check out Nancy and Deirdre's book here: https://www.plutobooks.com/product/immigration-detention-inc/ Help keep This Is Hell! completely listener supported and access bonus episodes by subscribing to our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thisishell Please rate and review This Is Hell! wherever you get your podcasts. It really helps the show ascend the algorithm to reach new listeners.

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0:00.0

The water

0:04.0

The water is

0:05.0

The water This is hell.

0:41.5

And today, maybe more than usual, as it appears that the Texas National Guard is preparing at the Great Lakes Naval Station in the northern suburbs

0:55.4

to be deploying to Chicago.

0:58.2

We don't know when.

1:00.0

And Governor Pritzker is asking everybody to not do anything to provoke any of the National

1:06.5

Guard or ICE members don't even throw a sandwich at them.

1:10.1

Any kind of provocation will just lead to

1:13.1

an increase in the deployment and possibly the aggressiveness of the agents who will be here.

1:20.8

Live from the United States, where the press has the freedom to be propaganda, this is hell,

1:26.0

and there are few topics that are more hindered by propaganda than immigration,

1:30.3

and the way in which the United States punishes those who long to be in the supposedly home of the free.

1:37.3

Back in 2022, we spoke with political geographer, Reese Jones, about his then just published book, Nobody is Protected, how the Border

1:46.4

Patrol became the most dangerous police force in the United States.

1:51.5

Reese told us the United States may have declared the end of the war on terror, but they have

1:56.2

not declared the end of the security apparatus that they have constructed as part of the war on terror.

2:01.6

There were a lot of laws put in place after 9-11 that were part of the creation of the Department of Homeland Security in 2003,

2:08.6

that created this vast authority for federal agents to do this kind of policing inside the United States.

2:15.6

The Border Patrol specifically repositioned themselves as being the front line against terrorism.

2:21.3

When you look at their national ethos, when you look at their documents online,

2:25.2

terrorism is at the front of what the Department of Homeland Security claims they are fighting.

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