What is going on everybody? Welcome back to the Mind Over Macros Podcast. As always, I am

your host Mike Milner and today I had a special guest on the show. I had Justin Rothling Schaffer. Maybe that's why I messed up on the first name because I was prepping for that last name and I think I nailed it.

But Justin and I had a great conversation and he was talking about a metric that can be incredibly

valuable that you may not have ever heard of it before.

Maybe you have, maybe you haven't, but it is really insightful to understand this

particular metric, which you'll learn about very shortly and how useful it is to

understanding your body and your mind and allowing yourself to make the type of progress that you want.

In addition, what I really appreciate about Justin's message is that this is somebody who comes from an academic background,

PhD, has a lot of experience in the field, has worked with

high performers, professional athletes, like this is somebody who knows what he's doing when it comes to performance, when it comes to body composition,

when it comes to health.

And I really appreciate the fact that he still uses more of a holistic, integrative approach with his clients and athletes and it's not just

about physical health, it's about emotional health, mental health, spiritual health, he talks

about finding your purpose and then he was able to integrate all of that with data-based decisions.

And I find that it's rare to have somebody who really combines both of those worlds.

There's typically, you know, the database, science-backed, like it's all about information

and that's how we make decisions.

And then there's the other side of that which is more of the

woo-woo let's talk about emotional health and mental health and how you process things and all of that

stuff and you know trauma and all of that plays a role I just

find that it's it's really great to see this next wave of health and wellness

where we're actually integrating both the

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