Hello, this is the red box podcast. I'm Matt Shirley, bringing you the best of my times

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Out of a week on the old pod last week, loads of you got in touch about the interview

with Steve Baker, the interview with Frank Field, PMQs, our feeders and pets, remembering

Betty Boothroyd. So hopefully this week we'll be able to bring this similar

spread of topics and guests and so on. Coming up on today's episode then, do you have

what it takes to be a spy GCHQ of recruiting? We'll speak to two former heads of the secret

listening post in Chelden to find out what is involved and about the big emerging threats

right now, China, Russia. And so I'm really fascinated chat coming up with them in

just a moment. But first, we start with this.

Yes, it's that time. The morning we speak to our two favour economies. No Libby

Purvis today, though, but we haven't got waged the festive body, right, John? Morning.

And playing the part of Libby Purvis from the Daily Mail, John Stevens, body, John. Hi,

morning, Matt. Good to have you both here. So let's start with, by the way, my favourite

store in the papers is day. Boris Johnson has put his own father's name forward for a

nighthood in his resignation on his list. So Stanley Johnson, as he would be, is among

as many as a hundred names that Boris Johnson has put forward for awards. I imagine you

think this is a good idea, John. Well, I mean, I'm not surprised about a tall Boris

Johnson is totally shameless and he has proved it yet again. I suppose there's not more

family members all there on the list. I suppose there's not a lady carry Johnson on there,

maybe a period for a few of her friends, but I don't think she aspires to tool when we

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