Oh, Bonjour. Welcome to the Red Box podcast. I'm Matt Shirley coming up on today's episode.

We will be speaking French or at least speaking French Anglo relations, which is soon

acts off to see a manual Macron this week. So we thought we'd have a loop around and

just how cross-channel affairs currently look with a particular back at politicians trying

to speak French, which is quite funny. That's coming up in just a moment. First, as

ever, we kick off with the columnist panel. The columnist on time's radio. Yes, at this

time, we always have a channel of our favourite columnists. Danny Pickleston will be back next

week with his new sidekick yet to be unveiled. But this morning, we are joined in the studio

by a time's columnist, Ian Marty morning here. And former TV journalist and president of

Murray Edwards College in Cambridge, Dorothy Burns, or that I morning, Dorothy. Good morning.

Nice to have you back. Both because you're with us a couple of weeks ago. Let's talk

small boats. Everyone acknowledges a big problem. Everyone's come up with ideas of what to do

about it. We get the latest round of ideas today from which he's soon act, which is the next saying,

it is fair for those at home and those who have a legitimate claim to asylum.

Basically, they'd be able to just remove people and send them to, well, possibly,

it's going to cause a huge vow. These plans, Ian, do you think, are they about actually

solving the problem or about having the huge vow? No, I do think it's about both actually.

I mean, it clearly is an enormous problem. And it's been beyond governments for last sort of

10, 15 years to solve. So I think it's serious. But it's also about the fact that Tories are behind

in the polls, isn't it? It's about the fact that reform, the Nigel Farage, Richard Tyson

vehicle is still sitting on the most recent polls on somewhere between six and eight

percent in the polls. And those are votes that Tories need back. So he's trying to do two things.

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