The McCann 'Stalkers' - The DNA Evidence

The Trial

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🗓️ 17 October 2025

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Summary

Join Caroline and Claire today for the evidence which the jury have been told is the “conclusive proof” Julia Wandelt is not Madeleine McCann - her DNA. We also have the evidence from two friends of the McCanns who were in Portugal when Madeleine was snatched, who say they were also asked by Julia Wandelt to help her get to the McCanns. And we have some of the details on the man who is the “prime suspect” in Madeleine’s abduction.

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Presenters: Caroline Cheetham and Claire Duffin

Editor: Chelsea Moore

Creative Director: Caroline Cheetham

Producer: Chelsea Moore

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Voice Actors: Lucy Ryan and Rhys Hanson

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0:00.0	Welcome to the trial UK, the McCann Stalkers. I'm Caroline Cheatham. And I'm Claire Duffin.
0:11.9	Today we've got the evidence the jury has been told is the conclusive proof that Julia Van
0:17.1	Delt is not Madeleine McCann. We heard police were so concerned about the welfare of the McCann family because of the alleged
0:24.0	behaviour of Julia Van Delt that they took the unusual step of comparing her DNA to Madeline's.
0:30.1	A senior officer told the court that even after this confirmed that she was not a match,
0:35.5	she still would not accept it.
0:38.1	We've also heard evidence from a couple who were with the McCannes in Portugal at the time
0:42.8	Madeline was abducted.
0:44.4	David and Fiona Payne said both they and their daughter were targeted by Julia Van der Lealt
0:49.5	when the McCanns refused to take her calls.
0:53.2	Welcome to episode five, the DNA evidence.
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