The McCann 'Stalkers' - “I’m not a Liar”

The Trial

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🗓️ 14 October 2025

⏱️ 30 minutes

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Join Caroline and Claire as the jury in Leicester are told for the first time that Julia Wandelt’s DNA was tested and proved she is not Madeleine McCann. In today’s episode we also have the dozens of voice messages and texts she was sending to Kate McCann.

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Presenters: Caroline Cheetham and Claire Duffin

Editor: Chelsea Moore

Creative Director: Caroline Cheetham

Producer: Chelsea Moore

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Voice Actors: Lucy Ryan and Rhys Hanson

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0:00.0	Welcome to the trial UK, the McCann Stalkers. I'm Caroline Cheatham. And I'm Claire Doffin.
0:11.7	Today, from this trial at Leicester Crown Court, we've heard dozens of messages which were allegedly sent from Julia Van Delt to Kate McCann.
0:20.0	In a series of voice and text messages which were played and shown to the court,
0:24.4	she told Kate McCann she's not crazy and she could spare her from torment
0:28.6	if she would believe that she is Madeline.
0:30.9	At time, she sent a torrent of messages in the space of just a few minutes.
0:35.9	We also have the evidence of the great aunt of Kate McCann
0:39.3	who said she was stunned when Julia Van Delt approached her at a vigil
0:43.1	and claimed to be Madeline.
0:45.1	Yeah, Janet Kennedy said she just knew instinctively the woman was not Madeline
0:49.3	and she also said the stalking the McCanns had to endure
0:52.5	had been traumatic.
0:54.5	And we also heard that Julia Van Dout had treatment in a psychiatric hospital,
0:59.0	and she was warned by police she could be arrested,
1:01.6	but the court was told the stalking did not stop.
1:04.4	Welcome to episode four. I'm not a liar.
1:21.2	Yeah. a liar. Sophie Tom and the kids are standing by the luggage carousel waiting for Sophie's bag.
1:25.2	Looks like she's going to be wearing Tom's clothes for a week, but she's not worried.
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