Hello, this is Dwayne Pock's podcast. I'm Matt Chowly. Now, in yesterday's episode, we took a look at the life in times of Vladimir

Zelensky, the Ukrainian president. So, I thought what we'd do today is do the same for the other guy, President Putin of Russia.

So, coming up on the podcast today, the making of a monster, how we got to where we are, and what might happen next.

Before that, as ever we kick off with our columnist panel on a Tuesday, it is, of course, think of it.

Meet the Cerberus of Colomists, the Janus of Journalism, and the ultimate political portmanteur of opinion.

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Think of it with Daniel Finkelstein and David Aronovitch, and Times Radio.

How did I forget how that ended? Yes, it's that time for everyone's favourite Tuesday columnist pairing.

It is Daniel Finkel, which morning, Danny?

Good morning.

What did I just say, Daniel Finkelvitch?

You're now going to have to say David Finkelvitch for me.

I'm working for the muss.

David Aronovitch.

It's been said.

It's been said.

Well, it's good to have you both here anyway to pick through what is going on.

One of the questions I wanted to ask, but in this genuine because I'm slightly torn about the answer is the extent to which politicians, British politicians I suppose in particular, are rising to the occasion.

politicians, I suppose, in particular, are rising to the occasion. And I was particularly

struck, I mean, you know, it is only words, but words in these situations matter. So

the words they put out, at least trust is making a speech somewhere today. And I mean,

you wouldn't describe the extracts they put out necessarily as chachillion. But also in

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