by another month of this war going by, we could see $150 a barrel oil. We're already looking

at Brent crude. I think it got last night when closing stopped up to like $115 to $119 a barrel.

This is a massive, massive economic catastrophe that's going to be felt throughout not just the region, but the

entire world. This is Iranian strategy.

This is Iranian strategy. Hello and welcome to Tech Won't Save Us, made in partnership with The Nation magazine.

I'm your host, Paris Marks, and this week my guest is Spencer Ackerman.

Spencer does so many things.

He's a contributor at Sateo, has written fantastic comics, is the author of

reign of terror, how the 9-11 era destabilized America and produced Trump, and is also the author

of the forthcoming book, The Torture and Deliverance of Majid Khan. He also writes a newsletter called

Forever Wars that I would highly recommend subscribing to. Now, obviously, you will all be aware that the United States

and Israel are at war with Iran. And that is not just, of course, having consequences for the

countries around the region, but is having repercussions around the world as we see the consequences

of this war and the restrictions on, you know, an important fuel, an important energy like oil,

but also so many of the other products that are associated with that, right? And of course,

all the other products and goods and food in our world that depends on oil, on shipping,

and how those prices can affect absolutely everything. So as I was thinking about approaching this,

I wanted to wait a little bit to see how this war was going to evolve. But when it became clear

that this was something that was going to stick around for quite some time, I said, okay,

you know, who am I going to speak to about this to get good insight into what is happening?

And I figured Spencer was

the perfect guest to have on because, you know, he pays a lot of attention to this, but has been

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