And so to switch from Chatsy-B-T to Claude, I think, accomplished nothing and signaled very little,

but it gave people the, at least the approximation of some sort of political act.

But, I mean, it's like switching your business from Lockheed to Raytheon, right?

Like, I don't, there's not that much difference

at the end of the day.

Hello and welcome to Tech Won't Save Us made in partnership with The Nation magazine.

I'm your host, Paris Marks, and I have a great guest for you today.

But first, there's something else we need to talk about.

In April, this month, Tech Won't Save Us turns six years old. It's so hard to believe that I've been

doing the show since April of 2020 back in the early days of the pandemic. And now, you know,

the show has reached, I don't know, tens of thousands of listeners every single week. Who knows

how many of that is cumulatively? It's in the millions. I should have looked up the numbers,

I guess. I've had more than 320 episodes. That means so many interviews with fantastic, insightful

people to help inform you about the tech industry, the impacts of this industry and its products

on society, and how we might think about doing something better, right?

How we might think about challenging this and trying to imagine what a better world could look like and what better technology could look like as well.

I feel like Tech Won't Save Us has achieved a lot over the years.

And I have had so many positive messages from people about the show and about

what it's meant to them and about how it has allowed them to share these episodes with people

to try to get more people to think about technology in the way that we do. And so thank you so much

for listening for all of this time. It's still hard to believe that it has been six years of making this show,

but it wouldn't be possible without all of you, the fantastic listeners.

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