If you look down into the public and what the public is thinking about Israel's behavior

since October 7th, there's no question that support for Israel and support for its policies

in Gaza has withered away among a large chunk of the population.

The Israelis, as I said before, are in trouble when it comes to controlling

the public discourse. And this is having an effect on how lots of people think about Israel's

behavior in genocide. I've seen some polls that show that over 50% of Americans think Israel

is executing a genocide in Gaza. So there's no doubt that that's what's

happening down below. But there's a real disconnect between what's happening below and American

policy. And as I said before, the lobby has been deadly effective at keeping a policy of

unconditional support for Israel intact.

And the $64,000 question moving forward is whether or not those changes that are taking

place in the body politic will eventually lead to changes in policy.

And the lobby fully understands this problem, and they're

working overtime to sort of recapture the discourse, and at the same time doing everything

they can to insulate the policy level from the discourse level.

Hello, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of the Maghesey Street podcast.

We're thrilled to have with us the Distinguished Professor of International Relations,

Professor John Meersheimer from the University of Chicago.

John really doesn't need much of an introduction.

He's written huge extensively in both scholarly and policy outlets.

He has many books.

I'm not going to repeat them all, but his most famous book is the tragedy of great power politics.

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